(Greg Reeves), This version appears to me to take a step into account. Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! 30 .216 .099 (David Atchison), Wondered if anyone had the taper for the Dickerson 8012 laying around. Very nice guy. Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. At Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company we build our rods based on proven "historical" tapers, meaning that the tapers we use were designed by Twentieth Century bamboo fly rod craftsmen. From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. is obviously your opinion, which you are entitled to. Lyle Dickerson's famed taper. And well worth the little time it takes to execute. Whether you're picking out your very first fly-fishing rod or coming in for a new modern fly reel after years out on the water, Sportsman's Warehouse can supply you with the very best fly-fishing equipment. And why not? 15 0.115 163502 . Parabolic is a marketing term and thus entirely meaningless in discussions on rod design. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. The mid sections are very different. the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. 7 wt 0.0790 6-strip Tonkin bamboo I beef up the last 3 inches of the tip to fit the 14/64 male ferrule. Pt Butt Tip Purchased item: Leonard 38 - Bamboo Vintage Fly Rod Reproduction Bob Thompson Jun 4, 2021 Helpful? Although it takes only 3 sizes to make a given size ferrule, he may have made a specialty set. Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. 4.6 ounces. by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post 2 wt 0.0585 It will be one of the rods in what I am calling my Basic Reference Taper set. The taper is designed for trout fishing. It didn't make since to me but went ahead and planed the butt section the way it was listed. . Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. Dickersons original taper was as Mark stated and a true 5 wt. Except that they are US rated and thus #5's! 20 0.126 The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. Over the last few days there has been a long thread about rods breaking at the female ferrule. 25 0.142 158834 This butt can be a foot shorter than the tip and of straight taper. Look at a graph of the rod dimensions. I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. Is there a classic taper that roll casts better any others? I don't think anyone fishes the same. All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. Rods also tend to have varying sweet spots in terms of when the amount of line out feel just right. Cross Rods. The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. If you look at the attached graph you will see that my Compensated Straight Line Taper does indeed have a Straight Horizontal Stress Curve at 20 feet of line outside the tiptop. "And look at the difference in the prices they go for!" Tuesday - Sunday, 10am to 4pm, Winter Is the 8013 just a 6" longer 7613 or what are the differences? (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. Stress curves are the only tool I have seen that give you a visual image of exactly what you have changed and the consequences of that action. Must have been a real thrill to cast Banjos' rod. My vote goes to L.C. I have fished some pretty big water with this rod and it has served me very well. They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. Because of subjective issues like feel and personal prejudices, not to mention fashion, we "adjust" this a bit in fishing rods. The 1970 Dickerson has the same type tip as the 1952 except it has a very shallow flex in the upper butt and a faster swell into the butt, a 4/5 wt, faster rod. 5 0.088 112541 Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. All rights reserved. 90 0.329 (Todd Talsma), I had rather hoped that I might finesse out of someone just what these specific requirements might be. You can built say a 5wt using a 13/64 ferrule and any of these slopes, and they'll all be 5 weights, but if you do the math you'll see that the tip dimensions would vary greatly. 35 .188 .332 Perhaps I did not state myself clearly. Dickerson R.W. I will let Bob speak to the numbers and how they were derived. There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. 4 wt 0.0680 For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? In fact, I use the 7613 that I made a lot of the time, even while Hex fishing last week on the Manistee! I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. (Robin Haywood). (Lee Koch), I primarily use RodDNA for my taper selection. All tapers are based solely or partially on the combinations of these basic deviations from the SLT. 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. (Jimmy Chang), I have made rods using both tapers. Common sense tells me to leave the middle of the taper . 10 .112 .262 by Jim 05/08/09 01:45, Post Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. 0.128 Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. DICKERSON 8013 RBS Special - 8' 2/2 - 5wt- honey colored - the legendary 8013 Special is an impressive and powerful med/fast action all-round trout -- taper miked from a Ray Bergman original shop rod. Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) 6-strip Tonkin bamboo Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. that is less the difference of the step. 0.266 (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. When fishing bamboo for trout I believe the "best" length is an 8 foot rod. Tom Smithwick. (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. the grip so I did some interpolation. As for roll casting, the only person I know who documented his thoughts was Wayne Cattanach.. Dickerson Rods Notes On Rods and Models Rod Features Rod Bags & Tubes Rod Markings and Script Buyer/Collector Beware Dickerson Articles About The Model Profiles Dickerson 761510 Dickerson 8014 Guide The Tom Clark Collection Anecdotes & Unseen Photos Dickerson Guide Series The Earliest Dickerson What Are The Chances? All of these factors when considered together give a better picture of the rod than any one does in isolation. The last tip measurement (that goes into the male ferrule) is .204. Made 2 of the heavier one. It throws up some very interesting facts. .266@20 After looking at the taper which has a fairly big step down at the ferrule I decided in my humble opinion to put some of the cane back about .01". 0.360 (Tim Pembroke). I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. by oldfishbrain 06/19/16 10:39, Post He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. 45 .212 under reel seat, The numbers listed below are from Banjos' rod, 0 .084 .238 Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, If it's starting at the cork, somebody got their dimensions messed up. 0 0.068 by ShenRods 05/08/09 01:54, Post Gillum Rods. Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? I highly recommend him. (Chris Obuchowski). 25 .160 .308 by cwood 05/08/09 02:51, Post The 3 flats got averaged and put into a column in the center of the page. 8ft #5wt. Your statement that "if you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. CFRF Tapers Tapers from Classic Fly Rod Forum The links below are to "classic" tapers posted to the Classic Fly Rod Forum (http://classicflyrodforum.com) in the Taper Exchange subforum. If I were to make it I would use .040 bring the 80" value to .328, this is enough to stop all the rod action. Whether Dickerson tweaked them to suit individuals or not I can't say. If you add bamboo the the tip of the rod, you have changed its mass (MOI/MOE) relative to what it was. I always use Super Z, but I am not really into creating exact reproductions. Remember that respect and civility is the goal of this board. (Harry Boyd). (Timothy Troester). First found in the United States in 2014 in southeastern Pennsylvania, spotted lanternfly has spread rapidly through the eastern states. (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. 2 piece. Short cased and portable. The 1st station on the butt section is NOT .214, it should be.208@0, then as follows: .214@5 .232@10 (Tom Peters), Dickerson used step down ferrules, use a CSE Step down to recreate that Dickerson classic action. I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. What you have done is show the slope to the tip to butt. by jim royston 05/26/17 08:58, Return to Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods., Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. I have a tough time roll casting over about 65' with any rod, no matter how long or limber. I have a chart of the dimensions at home, if you need a copy email me off list. (Reed Guice), Dickerson used the ferrule sizes in the rod to denote both the ferrule and the number of pieces in the rod. by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. the 3pc tapers were appropriated from other makers so it does not always hold true in that case. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. Latterly, they considered that a fiberglass butt section would solve all their troubles. (Robin Haywood). (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. So it seems that we are actually in complete agreement. Deduct 0.006 from butt, 0.004 from tip. Harry Boyd ----------- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com maker@canerods.com Aransas.clarks Guide Posts: 301 "Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. I based the statement of one SLT for a line weight on Bob Norwood's tip dimensions. 9 wt 0.0890. All of the tapers that I am finding appear to be using a Super Z. I am not wanting to start the Super Z vs. (Nick Nasello), I made the Dickerson 8615 last year for lake bass and liked it but it does get to be a bit if a bear to cast after about 3 hours. 0.334 Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. (Tim Pembroke), I wasn't aware of that but now that I've been told it does make perfect sense. As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. and .360@45. Good luck. . faster tapers. The 7012 HB is super light, and can cast with the best of them. The last page shows our interpolated numbers, on 5 inch stations, with varnish already subtracted, using both the Howell method (measure stations from the butt up) or the "classic" method (measure stations from the tip down.) (Harry Boyd). .278@25 he then concludes with a diabolical smile. Measure over original varnish. He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! Crisp, strong, smooth, versatile. I can add that there is not one single straight line taper for each line weight. I have made about 6 for auctions and as favors and all have been very well received and enjoyed. Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. A rod from John is the next best thing to the real thing. 0.214 I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. A taper is a fishing rod term that defines the rod length, optimal line weight, and rod flex action. That's not how they're made, see my previous post, or get a set of old time Leonard, Payne, Dickerson or anyone else's, other than cheep H-I or Montague's which had a necked down female, and measure them, the bamboo opening on both kinds of ferrules is the same on the male as it is on the female. Solid construction of suitable solidity involved unattractive weight penalties. (Robin Haywood). I just posted on the Rod Builders forum a 861711D Dickerson taper taken from a rod built in 1938 and restored by RW Summers in 2005. The 8013 is an 8' 0", 2/2, 5wt., 4.35 oz. In terms of rod design I think that it is really worthwhile considering as many design approaches as possible when trying to design and assess tapers. The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. (Greg Holland), Who knows, he may have just been responding to a client request, presume he had to eat. However if we can define specific regions (tip, middle, butt) and understand the effect of removing or adding material in these areas. (Jerry Foster). Manchester, VT 05254 (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives in practice however, there is little point in going below 7'6'', really. Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. 10 .110 .254 All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) 0 0.072 - by avyoung 06/12/16 18:13, Post (Bob Norwood), The point, whether you like it or not, is that you cannot design a rod that much exceeds mediocrity by using straight tapers. I made the Dickerson 7613 from the numbers in Jack Howells book. 45 .216 .375 This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. An 8014, would be an 8' two piece, with a size 14 ferrule amidships. I have limited the list as practical to tapers which are not obviously taken from Hexrod.net, in RodDNA, or in contemporary books such as Howells, Gould or Mauer. As this was my favorite rod, much foul language followed. Hmmm. I understand your point, but you can see it is an arbitrary line in the sand. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. 0.369 To my knowledge there are at least 3 versions of the 7613 out there. I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. (Greg Reeves). I hope this helps you out some, they are actually all nice rods, but as I said there is a little different in line sizes. Tel: 802-362-3300, Summer I have looked on the Rodmakers site under tapers and it is not listed. bamboo fly rod blank (two-piece single tip) - Proof Fly Fishing 6'6" 2wt. One of our most recognizable rod models with a deep flamed color and crisper action. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. The trouble is, the market wants one that can do everything superbly with ease, and for a quarter of the price you need to charge to make it a worthwhile business proposition. I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. (Matthew French), Different rods, the 8014 is a true 6wt, the 8014G (G stands for guide) is a heavier rod, a point and shoot, no false cast, lay out a ton of line type rod. (Mark Wendt). Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. Are there specific numbers at the ferrule for, say, an 8013 where a 14/64's ferrule is used? It seems that a Garrison-type taper with a straight, flat stress curve would be the most likely to be tolerable. At the Grayling gathering, Bill Harms gave a presentation of Marinaro's approach to rod design. 35 .186 .326 It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. Dickerson 8015 Guide Model Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #6/7, Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/3 #6, Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Fly Rod 8' 2/2 #5/6, Dickerson 761510 RB (Ray Bergman) Fly Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8013 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711-D Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 901812-C Bamboo Rod 9' 3/2 #7, Lyle Dickerson Model 6611 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 2/2 #3/4, Lyle Dickerson Model 7613 Hollow Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4/5, Lyle Dickerson Model 661510 Bamboo Rod 6'6" 3/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 8014 Guide Bamboo Rod 8' 2/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801510 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 7612 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 2/2 #4, Lyle Dickerson Model 761510 Bamboo Rod 7'6" 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 9016 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/3, Lyle Dickerson Model 9015 Bamboo Rod 9' 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 7012 Bamboo Rod 7' 2/2, Lyle Dickerson Model 861711 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 3/2 #6, Lyle Dickerson Model 801610 Bamboo Rod 8' 3/2 #5, Lyle Dickerson Model 8615 Special Bamboo Rod 8'6" 2/2 #5/6, Lyle Dickerson Model 961913 Bamboo Rod 9'6" 3/2 #7. Bill said that the book he has written on the subject is going to the printers and should be out soon.. (No financial interest.) I have not tried it with an 8 weight but I will as soon as I get back from Texas, ya'll. Halstead. Since the time he was with the Deschutes Rod Co. in Seattle he has built rods with Dickerson tapers. Different tools for doing different things. .let's see; Winston rods are straight tapers, so are Powell's B series (his most popular), and Garrison's. Quite a disparity. by Mike McGuire 06/16/16 23:29, Post 0.256 I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. That's not a lot to ask is it? To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. That's so the swell is still in the action length. Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. The thickness of varnish of course was just our guess. Dickerson 8615 - 8.5ft 2pc 7wt Posted by Gary Lohkamp,15 Jan 1997. 0.196 Not too many folks consider these mediocre. $ 1950us w/two tips, DICKERSON 7012 - 7' 2/2 - 4wt- honey colored - medium action, wonderful 4wt$ 1950us w/two tips. 45 0.1985 It sounds very interesting. There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. It was a rod I hate. 0.214 Part of the midwest cadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. (Mark Shamburg). According to Hoagy Carmichael Jr. who filmed a documentary for Boston Public TV, the Payne Rod Co. made approximately 12,000 rods during it's existence. (Will Price), Dickerson standardized his reel seats with a 3/8's inside diameter bore, hence the .375 under the grip and reel seat. 0.138 Winston Rods. For any thing else but roll casting or keeping a very finite weight of DT in the air, it's useless. One authority I know claims Jim Payne actually built more fly rods than Orvis. They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). But if you really like Dickerson tapers (i sure do) then getting a good maker to whip up his version of that taper while using his personal cosmetics would be my first choice. (Steve Weiss), That opens up another question. Straight tapers are just that, nobody needs to develop them, as if they did they wouldn't be straight anymore. (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank (NOW IN A GLOSSY DARK GREEN) $70.00 9' 6" 5wt. Granger. (David Zincavage), You can inform your authority that he is wayyyyyyyyyy off base!! I have built Russ' version, which I believe was posted yesterday, and I love it. by Lee Koch 06/12/16 21:18, Post While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. Obviously, custom tapers take a little longer to develop and build. An 861711 would be an 8 1/2' three piece, with the butt-to-mid ferrule being a size 17, and the mid-to-tip ferrule being a size 11. So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. And, after you "get used to it" you will fall in love with this rod taper. 65 0.2565 That has compensation for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides. This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. Consider this one if your maker plans on using Super Z ferrules. I would specifically urge all to look at the graphs. This is a set of 13-14/64 step down ferrules. This in itself is a very interesting exercise. (Peter Jones), If you "Put some cane back" in the bottom eighteen inches or so of the top joint you will have removed most of my objections. On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. If you want to make one as a sort of standard then try a rate of taper of 13.5 thousandths per station, it gives a Gould rating of 270 which is a useful point about which to have a conversation with yourself about what you think is medium fast and what you think is fast. Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. I just read this to myself and it's obviously as clear as mud! 0.138 If you want a starting point then make the rate of taper 20 thousandths per inch and hollow build to 50 or 60% of original wall thickness. John's the guy. Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. The Paul Young Perfectionist. The action, for those who are more familiar fishing graphite rods, is quite easy to get used to. (Will Price). In fact, if you want to design a cane "Parabolic" which will perform as Ritz wanted all you have to do is choose a tip taper you fancy and plonk it out on the end of a fast taper hollow built butt of whatever length you fancy. I would argue that the variances are due to machine error, rather than deliberate (consider that you are tapering the strips by running them thru a glorified router, excuse me milling machine, using a worn wooden pattern board running over metal rollers, to determine the taper. 30 .174 .322 I cannot come up with an application for a 7'6''#5, with its inherent disadvantages for roll casting. In the upper left corner, in blue, you'll see the real measurements we took, for all 3 flats at each measurement point. (Chris Obuchowski). A Lyle Dickerson model 8014 bamboo fly rod, 8', 2-piece, 3-tip, and built for a #6 line. The last 7613 is a version by Todd Talsma, it is the strongest one a 6/7 wt similar to the 1952 model. I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. Tapers are very personal things. I only use short rods on overgrown streams. If you are designing a rod based on a linear taper and you want to make it a 3 or 4 piece instead of a 2, how would this be taken into account? Why do you think a7'6" rod is short for a #5 ? Part of the midwestcadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. The 6611 has a swelled butt unlike many versions I've seen and is an especially sweet rod. You could have chosen Tom Fulk's true arc taper as the norm and try to describe the deviations from that. But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. Reducing material in the butt section will make the butt more limber and allow flex deeper into the butt. (Will Price), I have noticed several folks mention the Dickerson 8014. Even then I wince about their roll casting deficiencies. In the end I don't want to necessarily build a Dickerson 7613. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. Some rods might in fact be best with a line weight that falls between two designated ones eg. 0.153 Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. Garrison would have like straight line stress/strain results for the same reason Richard Walker did. This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. John P. has the Original Dickerson 7612 taper, a very rare rod but John understandably will not share the taper. (Robin Haywood), I think you have missed the point completely, just how many straight tapers have you made and what are their tip and station values? Following tests I no longer cook UHU. BTW, Paul, different strokes for different folks. Actually I feel an increase of .030 would be sufficient. "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". 20 0.131 154180 0.153 Maybe it is the version of the taper they are making, there are several out there. I think of it as an 8013G. (Reed Guice). Good question and I will tell you as soon as I finish my 5wt SLT. The biggest discrepancies are around the ferrules, and you'll notice in many "classic tapers" flattening of the slope into and out of the ferrules - presumably to make fitting a tapered peg into a cylindrical hole easier. I like to look at the taper itself and how it compares to a straight line taper, the stress curve, the tip deflection under loading, the shape the rod assumes under maximum loading, the rod weight and the center of gravity. 80 0.3 (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. 3 months after I had the guy back on the phone asking me to make another one as its the best rod he has ever had. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. 5 .096 .244 I will suggest that rodmakers as a whole are not (especially the "classics" who were trying to make a living by banging out rods), but also that minor variances of a few thousandths occurring at random do not have a large impact on the rod actions as a whole. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special, 2607 - 5. The rod action will not resemble a straight line taper any longer. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). For example a 13 was really a 13.5? (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. , you have done is show the slope to the numbers and how they were derived Lovely ''! 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